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= Microscope =
 
= Microscope =
 
Thanks to [http://www.hackerspace.net/talks:reverse-engineering-rfid Karsten Nohl presentation] at [http://www.hackerspace.net/schedule Hacker Space Fest], there's an interesting DIY approach for reverse engineering.
 
Thanks to [http://www.hackerspace.net/talks:reverse-engineering-rfid Karsten Nohl presentation] at [http://www.hackerspace.net/schedule Hacker Space Fest], there's an interesting DIY approach for reverse engineering.
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Now we have to find a microscope...
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* Friend of Phil will lend a microscope with camera
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** not perfect but should enable us to do the first etching/abrasive steps
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* We'll try to select and acquire a perfect microscope for this job.
  
 
== Features ==
 
== Features ==
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* [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=xC3&oi=definer&q=define:confocal+microscopy&defl=en Confocal microscope] (it seems, because we'll abrase/grind away the upper layers anyway and the bottom layers are opaque anyway too)
 
* [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=xC3&oi=definer&q=define:confocal+microscopy&defl=en Confocal microscope] (it seems, because we'll abrase/grind away the upper layers anyway and the bottom layers are opaque anyway too)
  
== Leads ==
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== Links ==
* Friend of Phil will lend a microscope with camera
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* http://www.microscopesinfo.com/olympusmicroscope/
** not perfect but should enable us to do the first etching/abrasive steps
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* http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.techniques.microscopy/2005-10/msg00004.html
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* [http://www.martinmicroscope.com/Digital&Video.htm Comparison of different microscope imaging solutions]
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* [http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artdec07/dw-motictip.html Adaptor for standard cameras]
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* [http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artmar05/dwmoticam.html Moticam review and some tips]
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* [http://search.ebay.fr/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&dfsp=32&catref=C6&from=R40&satitle=microscope+adaptateur&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D3&sadis=200&fpos=Code+postal&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ga10244=10425&saslt=2&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=32&fsoo=2 ebay search for adaptators]
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* [http://www.truetex.com/micad.htm Custom made camera couplers]
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== Microscope tests ==
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=== Perfect Microscope ===
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Still selecting the right model.
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==== Leads ====
 
* Ebay? No perfect match yet.
 
* Ebay? No perfect match yet.
 
* Microscope.fr solution
 
* Microscope.fr solution
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*** Total: 638 EUR
 
*** Total: 638 EUR
  
== Links ==
 
* http://www.microscopesinfo.com/olympusmicroscope/
 
* http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.techniques.microscopy/2005-10/msg00004.html
 
* [http://www.martinmicroscope.com/Digital&Video.htm Comparison of different microscope imaging solutions]
 
* [http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artdec07/dw-motictip.html Adaptor for standard cameras]
 
* [http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artmar05/dwmoticam.html Moticam review and some tips]
 
* [http://search.ebay.fr/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&dfsp=32&catref=C6&from=R40&satitle=microscope+adaptateur&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D3&sadis=200&fpos=Code+postal&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ga10244=10425&saslt=2&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=32&fsoo=2 ebay search for adaptators]
 
* [http://www.truetex.com/micad.htm Custom made camera couplers]
 
 
== Microscope tests ==
 
 
=== Perfect Microscope ===
 
Still selecting the right model.
 
  
 
=== Poor man microscope setup ===
 
=== Poor man microscope setup ===
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** Drawback: produces round (not square) pictures (with no noticeable deformation) of smaller size/coverage than regular microscope-camera.
 
** Drawback: produces round (not square) pictures (with no noticeable deformation) of smaller size/coverage than regular microscope-camera.
 
** Advantage: working and free
 
** Advantage: working and free
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==== Results so far ====
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* 500x magnification
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** This one goes up to 640x
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* 2 MP to 8 MP camera
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** The Canon IXUS is 3.2 MP
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** Will need to take more photo as just 2/3rd of the picture is usable (round pictures)
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* Objective table to move the chip slowly (i.e. not by hand, too much shaking and imprecision)
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** Poor man setup with micro-screws, TO DO
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* Reflected (incident) lighting
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** Reflected light works at lower magnification with daylight
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** Even for microscope which is designed for see-through
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** Got to test with external lighting (HB LEDs?) at higher magnification (640x)
  
 
= Substrate =
 
= Substrate =

Revision as of 13:39, 8 July 2008

Microscope

Thanks to Karsten Nohl presentation at Hacker Space Fest, there's an interesting DIY approach for reverse engineering.

Now we have to find a microscope...

  • Friend of Phil will lend a microscope with camera
    • not perfect but should enable us to do the first etching/abrasive steps
  • We'll try to select and acquire a perfect microscope for this job.

Features

These are the features we're looking for:

  • 500x magnification
  • 2 MP to 8 MP camera
  • Objective table to move the chip slowly (i.e. not by hand, too much shaking and imprecision)
  • Reflected (incident) lighting

Feature we DON'T NEED:

  • Confocal microscope (it seems, because we'll abrase/grind away the upper layers anyway and the bottom layers are opaque anyway too)

Links

Microscope tests

Perfect Microscope

Still selecting the right model.

Leads


Poor man microscope setup

  • Objective table: micro-screws controlled moving plate
  • Microscope: 640x optical Bresser (lent by Phil's friend).
  • Camera: 3.2 MP Canon Ixus V3
    • Mounting: Attached directly to the eye-piece
    • Drawback: produces round (not square) pictures (with no noticeable deformation) of smaller size/coverage than regular microscope-camera.
    • Advantage: working and free

Results so far

  • 500x magnification
    • This one goes up to 640x
  • 2 MP to 8 MP camera
    • The Canon IXUS is 3.2 MP
    • Will need to take more photo as just 2/3rd of the picture is usable (round pictures)
  • Objective table to move the chip slowly (i.e. not by hand, too much shaking and imprecision)
    • Poor man setup with micro-screws, TO DO
  • Reflected (incident) lighting
    • Reflected light works at lower magnification with daylight
    • Even for microscope which is designed for see-through
    • Got to test with external lighting (HB LEDs?) at higher magnification (640x)

Substrate

  • What kind of glue to use to attach the chip to solid/manoeuvrable support?

Software